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Me? A Conservative?

February 15, 2006

Andrew Sullivan - Daily Dish

I support almost all of Bush’s tax cuts (I support the estate tax) but also believe in balanced budgets and spending restraint (heretic!); I oppose affirmative action; I oppose hate crime laws; I respect John Kerry’s military service; I believe all abortion is morally wrong and that Roe vs Wade was dreadful constitutional law (but I do favor legal first trimester abortions); I support states’ rights, especially in social policy, such as marriage; I oppose the expansion of the welfare state, as in the Medicare prescription drug plan; I supported John Roberts’ nomination and Sam Alito’s; I believe in a firm separation of religion and politics, but I certainly take faith seriously and wrestle with my own.

I guess I must be Conservative. But given that my definition of a Conservative over the past six years has been Dubya and his ilk, I would’ve never noticed it. But if agreeing with Andrew Sullivan on every one of these points makes someone conservative, then by God, color me red all over.

Comments:

yes, i would say that would make you conservative.

by the way i like the gray fadeout in the text box for the comments. it's graceful.

So sayeth liz at February 15, 2006 10:05 PM

Thanks, Liz. Glad to see that you're still out there.

And I should point out that I don't always agree with Sullivan, so I was surprised to find that paragraph and then to read it and say to myself "Yeah, I agree with most of that, too."

I like tax cuts but don't think now is the time to repeal the estate tax (although I think it should be repealed eventually - once we pay off all this debt that Dubya has helped create). I definitely oppose laws that give gays and minorities more protections or that gives crimes against them stiffer penalties than would the same crime committed on heterosexuals or caucasians. I was disgusted that Rove sent the "Swiftboat" gang to attack a war hero, particularly given the reverence with which this administration pretends to have for the war and our brave people fighting it. I disagree with abortion but believe that a compromise can be made that makes first-trimester abortions a legal option as long as second and third trimester abortions are banned. I support gay marriage, but ultimately believe that states should have the say in the end (although to be honest, I wouldn't be totally surprised if the Supreme Court ended up deciding this one from a Civil Rights stance). As someone who lived on Welfare for almost fifteen years, I believe it to be a fundamentally flawed and inept system that keeps the poor down rather than helps them get themselves out of poverty. I liked John Roberts and while I didn't think Alito did as good a job as Roberts did in the interview, I believe that Democrats behaved horribly during the hearings - namely asking him to state his personal opinions in order to get the job - which he won't be allowed to ever use in that job, since 1. he'll have to find LEGAL reasons to defend his decisions and 2. absolutely nothing in his (or Roberts') judicial past leads me to believe that either man was an 'activist' jurist. And I believe that religion has taken a beating in the past six years - in large part due to the Christian Right's insistence on shoving it down everyone's throats and the extreme left in convincing liberals that a separation of Church and State somehow means an Atheist State, which it doesn't.

So, yeah, I guess so. I always considered myself much more moderate, really.

So sayeth Chris Huffman Author Profile Page at February 15, 2006 10:19 PM

i take the exact opposite postion on every item you listed, but i still like your web work. if ya want i can pass your name on to my uncle. he's big in the local republican party there in indy.

So sayeth liz at February 16, 2006 12:44 AM

Easy there! I'm not ready to join any political parties. I still have too much distrust for politicians to root solely for any one group. But thanks for the offer. Actually, I'd just as soon see the Republican party numbers dwindle given that George W. Bush is about as much of a conservative as you are, in my opinion. And at the same time, I'd very much like to see more moderate voices in the Democratic party.

I still vote for plenty of Democrats where I think that they're the better choice. I just think that I was surprised that I agreed with the list of things above that Sullivan listed as 'Conservative' values. I guarantee that I have some fairly liberal opinions on some topics, too.

So sayeth Chris Huffman Author Profile Page at February 16, 2006 7:42 AM

I have noticed that you are more conservative nowadays. Is it the water in Indy?

So sayeth spab at February 16, 2006 12:39 PM

I blame it on the children.

So sayeth JimA at February 17, 2006 2:30 PM

my mom told me this quote a long time ago: "if you're not a libreral when you're young then you don't have a heart, and if you're not a conservative when you're old then you don't have a brain."

i consider myself to be pretty "conservative" on a lot of issues, it's just that i don't see many real conservatives out there in the political world. and i don't think being "conservative" is inconsistant with being "liberal" or "progressive" either, which says something about my opinion of such labels. anyone who wants to bring god into government isn't conservative in my book, for instance. most "conservative" media figures aren't conservative in my book. and i'm no libertarian, either; while i distrust my government, i'm not anti-goverment. at the end of the day, it's all about competing interests.

i don't think tax cuts make sense most of the time unless you're listing which services you're willing to cut to afford them (hard to do at the federal level, i know, but right now they don't even bother to try). i'm sensitive to people's feelings about abortion, but i don't think those decisions should involve anyone but the woman and her doctor; anything else is state intervention and doesn't jibe with my concept of individual freedom and limited state power. i understand the attraction of "hate crime laws" but don't agree with it; the punishment for a crime should be predicated on the actions, not the philosophy, of the criminal. i think affirmative action is inaccurately equated with quotas in the minds of many, and while it may be a clumsy way to address the problems of slavery and racism, in terms of generations those things didn't happen very long ago. I respect military service conditionally; serving in the armed forces doesn't make you an automatic hero in my book, but at the same time it pisses me off when the government short-changes soldiers and vets.

it's okay to be conservative, Chris. i guess i assumed you already thought of yourself as one. ;)

So sayeth ned at February 20, 2006 2:09 PM

Well, I didn't mean it as any 'coming out' party, per se. It's just that I have been rather gunshy about labeling myself as Conservative, mostly because for the past six years "conservative" has been associated with Dubya and his crew. And my own political interest in those years has skyrocketed - partly because of the more highly political climate we've endured since 9/11 and partly due to my age and life changes (marriage, kids, white-collar job, etc.)

For a short time in Bloomington I was very interested in Libertarianism and even had an application for the Indiana Libertarian Party filled out but never submitted it. I quickly fell out of interest with it because it just seemed too close to Anarchism to me, which I don't agree with. Like Ned said, I'm not anti-Governement, I'm just not interested in continuing to consolidate power in the State. I have definitely had (and continue to have) liberal opinions on a lot of issues, but not most. And some of this liberalism might be due largely to the influences I had when I was younger - I know that I've spent a lot more time around Democrats than Republicans.

And in these past few years, I've really thought a lot more about how I feel about politics individually, rather than adopting the going stance of a party that I thought I should be identifying with. And in doing so, I've found sound cases in opposition to things that I really thought I had figured out.

Minoring in Philosophy at IU was profound for me, too. Taking courses tempered by professors required me to argue points from more than one perspective - something I had done little of on my own in the past and nothing all too comfortable I might add. I found that I often shot from the hip when it came to stuff when I was younger. I was learning more about philosophical discipline, which led me to some soul-searching where I found myself lacking sound debate skills. I found that I was often a.) seriously flawed in my application of logic or b.) that preconceptions I had were based mostly on my feelings toward perceived fairness rather than on facts about how policies play out in our world.

One thing that hasn't changed has been my trust in the government. I've never trusted the Federal government and believe that large systems hemorrage due to their size - and the money alone that's wasted is nearly enough to render the whole damn thing obsolete for me. You can blame administrations (which are temporary) only up to a point, I think, before you begin to realize that the size of the machine is what's leading to opportunities for corruption and waste. The closer people are to their own governance the better it is for them (and more democratic) than having some group of asshats in Washington, DC dictating what happens in Everytown, USA. What interest do they have in mind? The same as everyone else - their own. I prefer Grassroots/local community governance, frankly. So that's a generally accepted Conservative value - less Big Government.

Making more money has also contributed to my political interest. I pay a lot more attention to how tax money is redistributed now that I make more and pay more. As my tax burden climbs ever higher (both percentage-wise as I earn more and on the whole as taxes keep increasing) I resent the scandalous waste that I see all around me. I certainly don't mind paying more than people who make less money, but I hate when I see those dollars being squandered. So I appreciate it when Mitch Daniels cuts the fat at the BMV and goes after tax evaders and then later gives that reclaimed money to schools to repay their debts. Fiscal responsbility isn't just a conservative value, but if we're to believe the commonly held platforms of the two parties, it apparently is. Although plenty of Democrats are fiscally responsible, they just have different ideas about how to collect and redistribute that money - namely to simply tax the rich and give it to the poor. I happen to disagree with this "Robin Hood" approach.

I'd say that getting older, having children, and just old-fashioned soul-searching has led to me change and grow. Some have been toward what would be considered more liberal ideals but a lot of them have been more conservative ones. I still consider myself a Conservative Democrat, so long as it's understood that I don't tow the line for all Democratic values.

The post was a quick reflection of how in the past year or so I've found myself more to the Right than I would've expected had I been asked back in 2000.

I'm not a Religious Conservative and not completely a Social Conservative. For the most part, I'm a Fiscal Conservative who shares a few social policy opinions with Conservatives (such as abortion and affirmative action). I believe that Welfare aims to do well, but fails and needs to find ways to empower poor people rather than pander to them with handouts. I think that affirmative action and hate crime legislation promote the concept that minority groups deserve different protections than everyone else (which they already have). While I agree that they're often disproportionately affected by some specific crimes, I think that murder is murder and motive is only relevant to the degree of murder that you're charged with. And I'd rather not have the State imposing artificial limits or quotas in hiring minorities because I believe that social pressure is a better way to affect change - not through law enforcement unless absolutely necessary, which I don't think it is anymore.

So sayeth Chris Huffman Author Profile Page at February 20, 2006 10:09 PM

too late, i hereby dub this "Huffman's Conservative Coming-Out Party." And I expect you to start wearing bow ties.

fyi, your link to Mitch's giving reclaimed money to schools didn't work for me (it points back to the post).

So sayeth ned at February 20, 2006 10:41 PM

What? And start looking like that neo-con lapdog Tucker Carlson? No way, my friend.

So sayeth Chris Huffman Author Profile Page at February 20, 2006 10:48 PM

I've been having big arguments within a family email discussion group on the notion of "liberal" vs "conservative". It's so tough to argue points and group everything into those two camps. We had a huge discussion on The Media. My cousin Steve saying it's Liberal, and I taking a different route saying it's Conservative. The idea of sex and violence being fueled not by liberalism, but by money.

It's true, like Ned pointed out, that we're not really witnessing true Conservatism in the US. Plus the Republicans use the term "Liberal" as almost a sinful word. Am I a liberal if I'm Pro Choice? What does liberal and conservative even mean when relating to some of these hotbed issues? I am a liberal Christian, meaning I don't read everything in the Bible as literal, and I do believe that our nation needs to adapt to current issues such as women's rights and gay marriage. Anyway, I'm way off track.

Congrats on coming out of the closet Chris!

So sayeth spab at February 28, 2006 10:54 AM

You are a racist, sexist, conservative bastard. I would stab your heart but it is now impenetrable. asshole.

So sayeth David at March 7, 2006 4:01 PM

Hey, don't blame the water in Indy...Just because our sewers overflow into the water supply every time it rains doesn't mean...hmmm...wait a minute, maybe there is a connection.
:)

So sayeth Kate Zubler at April 17, 2006 11:04 AM
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